Thursday, March 20, 2014

We're English 10 Nerds and Loving It: March 20, 2014

Focus: What is happiness, and why is it lacking in Fahrenheit 451?

1. Warming up with a professional speech about happiness:
  • What is the speaker's attention grabber (how does he open his speech)?
  • What is his claim?  In other words, what point is he trying to make?
  • How was his speech organized?  In other words, what were his topics?
  • How did he use the slides projected to the audience?
  • Which details in his speech (images, phrases, word choices, etc.) appeal to ethos, logos, and pathos?

2. Fahrenheit 451 Fishbowl #4: Pages 63-80

3. Wrapping up: Responding to our focus question

HW:
1. Bring either F451 or a bannned/dystopian independent reading book to class tomorrow (remember that I need a parent signature).

2. Study for tomorrow's vocabulary quiz over words 1-15.

3. Work on your book talk.

218 comments:

  1. On page 68,"Here now," said Montag." We'll start over again, at the beginning." Do you thing they can just start over like that? I believe it will take a lot more.

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  2. What is the significance of this quote "Do you know why books such as this are so important? Because they have quality. And what does the word quality mean? To me it means texture. This book has pores."?

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  3. Why do you think Mildred refuses to talk about Clarisse?

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    1. I think she just doesn't have the mental capacity to understand who Clarisse was.

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    2. She probably believes that Clarisse is the reason that Montag took the books.

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    3. I think Clarisse is to complex and no one really understands her. She is selfless and only thinks about the people around her, while everyone in this society so so selfish, no one really understands that subject. Mildred can't be influenced by Clarisse like Montag, because all Mildred does is watch TV and is influenced by society and mainstream thoughts that it doesn't matter if outside thoughts tries to educate her.

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  4. "And look at the furniture . Nor rocking chairs anymore. They're too comfortable. Get People up and running around" (pg. 63). What kind of society is so controlling, that it must dictate the kind of furniture people use? Do you think changing things like this actually makes a difference?

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  5. "Its only a step from not going to work today to not going tomorrow." Why is he trying to stop going to work?

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    1. He does not believe in what is going on at his job. He does not want to play any part in burning more books.

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  6. What could be the significance and meaning behind the title "The Sieve and the Sand"

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  7. Will the mechanical hound ever turn on Montag?

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    1. We have already seen the mechanical hound show aggression towards Montag. I think the mechanical hound will turn on Montag very soon.

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  8. Patrick-I do believe that he is dangerous dor reading books. He is going against his career and against the fact society isn't ok with free open knowledge

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  9. "Here now" she said, "We'll start over." What steps will they take to try and return to normalcy? Will it be that simple? I predict that it wont be.

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  10. Now that Montag is reading books will h being persued, and will he get caught?

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    1. If he quits at the firehouse I think the government will get suspicious and he will get caught.

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  11. Do you believe that he is gunna try to spread/ try to plant books in the fire stations? Also, do you guys think Mantag is trying to spread his knowledge and have other people read books?

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  12. This book is obviously just one big contradiction. Everything about this book is the opposite. For example, the fireman starts the fire, or the one who burns the books reads them. Do you think Montag is a fire himself, or is he the only water that can put the fire out?

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    1. I think that it's Bradbury's way of showing that civilization is backwards and we've lost our principles

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  13. On page 64," Its only a step from not going to work today to working tomorrow, to not working at the firehouse ever again." He is done and giving up. Did you think he would quit because he loves books now?

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    1. I think that is part of the reason why he quit, but there are also other reasons. I think that he doesn't like how things function around his work and he doesn't want to go back to it.

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  14. What does Faber mean when he describes himself as water and Montag as fire, claiming that the merging of the two will produce wine?

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  15. i agree with what brandon was saying that motage represents a sieve and they are separating them from scoiety

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  16. "Mildred kicked at the book. 'Books aren't people. You read and I look all around, but there isn't anybody!'" (pg. 73). It seems that she does not see there is more to books than meets the eye. How does Montag realize that there is more to books? What makes him so different?

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  17. I think the inner fishbowl's connection to Montag being a sieve is a very accurate description. He is separating people and ideas like a sieve would.

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  18. Montag takes some books out of his attic. How long has Montag been taking books and hording them?

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  19. On page 68,"Here now," said Montag." We'll start over again, at the beginning." I think that they can start over like that it will be hard but i feel that it could happen

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  20. Why is Mildred so distant from Montag? She acts like they are room mates more than they are husband and wife.

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  21. "I haven't Decided right now I feel like smashing and killing stuff!"
    Why does feel the need to do this.

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    1. Because he is angry and frustrated with everything and feels aggressive impulses in result of these emotions.

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  22. "Here now," said Montag." We'll start over again, at the beginning."(68) what exsactly does this quote mean?

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  23. Do you think that Beatty's use of literature against Montag is effective? Why?

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  24. "And look at the furniture . Nor rocking chairs anymore. They're too comfortable. Get People up and running around" (pg. 63)What is the significance of this? Society today in this book is way different ,people seem to be lazy and attached and he is trying to say everyone needs to find something new and realize that you need to get off your butt

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  25. "And I thought maybe it would be best if the firemen were burnt."
    Why does he want the firemen to be burnt? What has driven him to the extreme of thinking that the firemen should be burnt.
    Insanity? I think Yes

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  26. "... climbed up on it and stood for a moment like a statue on a pedestal, his wife standing under him, waiting. Then he reached up and pulled back the grille of the air conditioning system and reached far back inside to the right and moved still another sliding sheet of metal and took out a book..." Why has he collected so many books? Did he only remember he had all of these books when he saw the women in the last fire? How will everyone react when they hear he has 20 books?

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  27. On page 72 Montag says "But Clarisse's favorite subject wasn't herself. It was everyone else, and me." Do you think that Clarisse was considered crazy, because she was selfless and cared only about the people around her? If you think about it, everyone in this society is selfish and only cares about themselves. When Montag is sick and asks his wife to get him some Advil she won't because she doesn't want to.

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  28. On page 76 why does Mildred suddenly bring up that they are in a relationship? She has never even mentioned they are married (or even in a meaningful relationship) until this point. Why is that?

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  29. What is the main reason why the government doesn't want people reading the books?

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    1. Books = Knowledge = Independent thinking = Mutiny = Freedom

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    2. I think it is because books give people more opinion and they open people up to new ideas that could threaten the government. The government in this world wants as most power as possible and taking away books could do that.

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  30. "We've started and won two atomic wars since 1990!" (pg. 73). Could this reflect on how bad their world has become? Why did Bradbury feel it was important to mention this? Since this book was written in the 50's, do you think that Bradbury was writing a story, or making a prediction?

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  31. How will Montag get a copy made and will Beatty know that he has more books at his house?

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  32. "I don't think he knows which book I stole." The book keeps coming back, what symbolizes the book?

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    1. The book symbolizes independent thinking and freedom.

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  33. "He knew he could not face Beatty again" p 67. Why does he have so much fear for Beatty. Is there a past between them that we don't know about?

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  34. "How many copies of Shakespeare and Plato?" (Pg. 76) In a world where all books are banned and have been burned for a long time, how does Montag know about these authors and books? Who is passing on this kind of information?

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  35. What do you think Montag will uncover while reading?

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  36. On page 63 Montag says "I'll be in later, maybe." Is he actually considering quitting his job and going against society?

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    1. Yes and in his mind this is what he will do but he tells them differently just to save himself from more trouble.

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  37. "The old man looked as if he had not out of the house in years." p 80 What does Faber have to fear? Is someone after him? Does he know something that everyone else does not?

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  38. Is happiness more important than ethic in this society?

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  39. Are Montag and Mildred truly in love?

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    1. I don't really think so because they seem like threy are mostly only friends because they were pretty much each others first friends.

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    2. I think they were at one point in love, but due to time passing and both of the branching off into different interests, and the love was never rekindled.

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  40. It seems that books in this world give people very bad feelings, because they are illegal, but for others it makes them feel more alive. Why is this?

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    1. The people that want the books actually like the knowledge that the books give them but the rest hate books because they like to be happy so they got rid of information that they hate.

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  41. Does Mildred love Montag? This is the first time she has brought up the fact they are in a relationship and the rest of the book she seemed very distant and as if she didn't truly love him.

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    1. I think that Mildred doesn't truly love Montag and here's why. On page 76 Mildred says, " See what you're doing? You'll ruin us! Who's more important, me or that Bible?" In this small excerpt it shows that she is more concerned about her then Montag. It shows that she thinks more about herself than Montag which shows that she doesn't truly love Montag.

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    2. I don't believe Mildred is in love with Montag, I think she's in love with the idea of all the things Montag provides for her. Such as her TV and her clothes. She isn't capable of having any real relationship with him.

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  42. I agree with Jordan . They are being ruled by the goverment

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  43. What kind of charecter is Faber?

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    1. Faber seems like a hermit. He hasn't left his house in years. I feel like he is hiding something and knows information that we don't know yet.

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    2. I think Faber is a rebel that doesn't want to do what the government say. He wants to do what is right

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    3. I agree with Amelia, but I also think that he could be so unsocial due to the fact on how chaotic society is. He doesn't want to see himself conform to everyone else's ways and beliefs so he thinks that the best way to stop himself from doing that is cutting himself off.

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  44. "But Clarisse's favorite subject wasn't herself. It was everyone else, and me" (page 72). Would you consider Montag as self-centered like everyone else? Or does he care about others like Clarisse did?

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    1. i think he is self-centered, because he isn't keeping books to help people. He is keeping them for himself and so then he can learn.

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    2. I think Montag is starting to care about others after meeting Clarisse. She showed him how to care and look at the world differently. He did care about Clarisse and that's what makes him different than everyone else.

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    3. I think on some level that yes Montag is self-centered, but in my opinion the society they live in created people to become self-centered. All they are worried about is themselves being happy. On some level he is learning to come away from that, he did start to care about Clairsse

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  45. "Does your 'family' love you, love you very much, love you with all their heart and soul,Millie?"(73) Do you think that the 'family' that they have have love for each other? or do they just tolerate each other? Or is it something else?

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  46. "We've started and won two atomic wars since 1990." (73) Is this the reason why the world is like how it is?

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  47. I feel like Mildred only loves Montag because he can buy her the stuff she wants

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  48. "It's fun out in the country. You hit rabbits, sometimes you hit dogs," Mildred says.
    Is Mildred a violent person?

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    1. I mean to us, we obviously think that these actions are out of line and violent, but I think the reason Mildred seems to enjoy doing this is just because she is bored and is willing to do anything for entertainment, it's just like the TV. It's something that you can do to pass the time and requires little to no thinking, which is what society wants.

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    2. I think Mildred is not a violent person. I think it is just that the society has people only thinking about violence or just not thinking about anything. The society like earlier in the book when the police don't really care about safety but just that everyone has insurance.

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    3. I dont necessarily believe that she is a violent person but more of the fact that her idea of fun is different compared to woman of our society. Most woman find it horrifying or sad to hit an animal in the society we live in now, its different for Mildred.

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    4. I think she is violent when she has to be. or she is just irrational

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  49. I think getting rid of front porches was a huge jump in their society. It was a way to stop people from thinking for themselves and being inspired by other people's thought and conversations.

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    1. I agree, when people used to talk and have conversations on porches they were able to have opinions and discuss what they want. They took these porches away because they want people to start thinking like everyone else.

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  50. pg 81 Montag gave him the book. "It's been a long time. I'm not a religious man." Why is Montag risking his job or life to get a bible for Faber?

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    1. I think rather then just getting the Bible to Faber he is just trying to understand what is said in the book. "Poor Montag, it's mud to you too." (74)
      Montag is just trying to understand what was put down on the paper.

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  51. The society that is described here is one that has no communication. People have no chance to change anything. Having no front porch takes away any fear of people wanting anything else.

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  52. Is Faber hiding something or know something that we don't? He seems like a hermit and has not been out of the house in years.

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    1. Yes I believe that Faber is hiding something. When Montag asked his about the bible on page 75-76 he seemed to play it off, not answering the question in anyway. More of avoiding something

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  53. "This is the old testimate and the new testimate." said Montag
    Does he understand what these books are or what they say? Are there still churches? If so do priests and nuns read the bible?

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  54. Ḧes right. Happiness is important. Fun is everything. And I kept sitting there saying to myself, Im not happy, im not happy, im not happy. (pg. 65) The society Montag lives in now is bult for everyone to be happy all the time, yet he isnt happy.What do you think he will do to change this?

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  55. How does having the same furniture affect the way society acts? Why does the government have to take such extremes to be equal?

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    1. They don't want anyone to be higher up because if people keep becoming unequal and citizens become higher up and will become smarter than the government.

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    2. I think the government is willing to take such extremes to keep society equal. They don't want to give people reasons to want to rebel and go against them.

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    3. I think that it makes people feel like they aren't any more or less successful than anybody else because of the things they own. The government has to do this because they want everyone to treat each other equally.

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    4. I think the government wants everyone to be equal so then people wouldn't want to steal things from other people and then others would get really upset and want to start a fight

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  56. 'Montag watched through the window as Betty drove away in gleaming yellow-Flame-colored-beetle with the back charcoal tires" again it goes back to the idea of fire and high temperature.

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  57. Were books really banned by the people? It says that the people banned books, but I think that books just started being ignored, and the government took the case into their own hands and fully banned them.

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    1. I think the people all agreed they wanted to be equal, and that means everybody has to be on the same intellectual level. So I do think the people banned the books so they could be equally smart.

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  58. On pages 67- 68, Somebody is at Montag's door wanting to come in. Montag thinks its Beatty coming to catch them with books. Do you think that Montag was mistaken and it was somebody else or is it really Beatty? And how would Beatty know that Montag has these books?

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    1. I think that it was most likely just Montag worrying, but that might not be the case.

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  59. Montag showed her a book. "This is the Old and New Testament, and..."
    Do you guys think there's any type of religion in this society?

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    1. NO not really or they wouldn't be burning the books.

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    2. I think there is still religion, but they just dont read

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    3. Mildred has referred to numerous religions so I think the knowledge of them is still around but I don't think that anyone actually practices them because this society's lifestyle doesn't really agree with any religion that I'm aware of.

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  60. "I've heard rumors; the world is starving, but we're all fed." (p.73) Are the people in this society the only ones in the world who lead this life? Is there no contact with the outside world? Was this the only society in which the people were willing to give up so much freedom? Maybe this is how there are still so many books left, because they are being smuggled in.

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    1. i think there are other places in the world that live in this style, and they don't give up freedom voluntarily, but more involuntarily though convenience.

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  61. Montag says to Mildred, " We can't burn these. I want to look at them, at least once." Do you think he wants to see what the world was like or what like world was like?

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    1. I think Montag wants to see how the world was like in the past and why things have changed. I don't think he understands why the people had to take such drastic measures to make people "happy".

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  62. 'They're too comfortable get people up and running" Why don't they want people to be comfortable it seems like it is some sort of punishment?

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  63. How does he know that the Bible is such an important book and must be copied before it it destroyed.

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    1. I think because it was so worn and old because it has been around for so long. An maybe as they have gone along throughout the houses to burn books they see so many of them.

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  64. "The world is starving, but we're well fed."-Montag
    Is this happening in the United States? If so, why did the United States stop caring about other countries?

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    1. I think that they are too worried about keeping all of their citizens equal and obedient that they don't have time to care about the rest of the world.

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    2. I dont think this happening in the US as much as 3rd world countries. I dont think they stop caring but that the society Montag is blocked off from the world and doesnt know that these other places arent well fed.

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  65. On pg. 63 when Montag says,"I'll be in later, maybe." Is he actually thinking about quitting his job and going against society?

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    1. On page 63, he says,"I'll never come in again." But I don't think he is going against society. At least not yet because I think he wants to learn more about life and what it was like in the past.

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    2. I think Montag says maybe because he may be thinking on doing more research on books and probably quiting his job, because he doesn't want to burn books anymore because he loves reading them so much.

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  66. What do you infer will happen to Montag now that he is running away from his problems.

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  67. What do you think is truly going on in this society?

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  68. "My uncle said they got rid of porches because they didn't look well". Do most people believe that? Even if they do, the people that don't should still be able to pick what their houses look like.

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    1. I think they are too oblivious to realize what they want

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  69. Could you find happiness in a society like theirs? Most of the relationships are false, people have so many things that will not fill any want for happiness. Are people who are happy in the minority?

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    1. To me, it seems impossible to find happiness in a society like this. You have nothing to live for and nothing to look forward to. It seems like a nightmare.

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    2. I feel like they have happiness, but they are lacking the happiness from relationships. They enjoy the tv, radio, and driving and are happy doing these activities, but they lack the human connection which MAKES us humans.

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  70. "Does your 'family' love you?" (77) My mom often says, "You show what you love by where you spend your time" I"m thinking that Montag is trying to make her think about that she is spending her time on something that she loves but doesn't love back and wasting her time. I see this a lot in society today that people would rather spend time on their phone rather then spend time with people who love them back.

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  71. Why does Mildred have such a hatred against books? "Mildred kicked at the book. Books aren't people. You read and I look around, but there isn't anybody." (73)

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  72. Are their any good people in this society? Was there an event that turned the society to violence? Could a person block out their conscience this much, to where committing an act of violence would not effect them?

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    1. I think that is the only way something could get to this point.

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  73. " No front porches. My uncle says there used to be front porches" it sounds like they don't want anything to be the same.

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  74. There was a good point made in the discussion. Riley says how we start realize the distinction between "firefighters" and "firemen". And these men are clearly not heros, they are now starting the fires instead of stopping them; they are initiating the violence.

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  75. "We've started two atomic wars since 2022!..." This is a revelation for him. His mind is reverting back to a normal human state. Also, this helps give a time frame.

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  76. "Is it because we're so rich and they're so poor that we just don't care if they are." (73)
    I think that this quote actually sums up our society in America. The poverty line in America is $11,000 a year for one person and in America we think that this is hard, yet most people in the world make less then $10 a day.

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  77. Is the lack of some sort of faith the reason this society is so violent and careless? Would a society with no religion be like this? Since the government wants everyone to be the same is this why they don't want religion?

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  78. Do you think Montag changed his view and opinion on reading and books on his own or was he influenced by Clarisse?

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    1. I think it was mostly Montag, however, I believe Clarisse sparked the total change. We now know that Montag had been stealing books long before he met Clarisse, but she seemed to be the reason he started reading books.

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    2. Well I think he was changed once he started to actually start to read them. I mean Clarisse had a big impact on him to probably grab the books because the old Guy probably wouldn't of grabbed the books he would've burned them.

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    3. I think that his opinion on books has changed over time and was influenced by Clarisse because on page 65, Montag says, "'I have something I want you to see, something I've put away and hid during the past year, now and again, once in a while, I didn't know why but I did it and I never told you.'" For the past year he had been taking books and hiding them in his house so I think that he's been curious about the books over the year but didn't really act on his curiosity. Then when Clarisse came along, he thought that it was time to explore that curiosity with the books.

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    4. I think it's a little bit of both. I think that Clarisse opened up his views of the society more. She always questioned him and made him wonder more about the world. This allowed him to wonder about books and why they are banned. Once Clarisse dies, he feels that something is missing. This triggers him to having greater desires for reading books. But, I also think that in the beginning he already had the intention of reading because he's always had books that he's kept in his house.

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  79. "Let's talk about someone alive..." (72). Do you think that Mildred is starting to get tired of hearing about Clarisse? Why?

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    1. Yeah because I feel that is all guy talks about when he is around Mildred. And I think that she thinks that Guy is the crazy one in this relationship and life.

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    2. I think she is getting tired of hearing about Clarisse and how Montag is so obsessed about the books. She doesn't understand the big deal with how their government could be lying to them and everything they have been told is a lie. Mildred just wants to live in what they have now and Montag wants to know what the world was like before.

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    3. I think she views it as bad. When Ms. Leclaire showed us that video at the beginning of class about things being positive and forgetting the negative things, I think Mildred is trying to do the same thing.

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  80. " He looked down and saw that he was carrying the Bible open," (78) In this book there doesn't seem to be much relationship with the society and religion. Why would the author include the Bible and not another book?

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    1. Maybe because the Bible has been banned in some countries and maybe the author thought it be an interesting thing to bring up and show that not all places are truly free.

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    2. I think the author used the Bible because it is a well known book. It is also a very controversial book. It also highlights that they don't have religion.

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    3. Perhaps it is because the Bible is one of the most widely known books in the world. It could also be because the Bible is filled with controversial opinions. The Bible is a book that makes the reader really think, and that is the exact opposite of what this society wants people to be doing.

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    4. I think that the author is trying to show that religion, along with many other things, isn't part of their society. I think he was trying to show that religion and the Bible is part of the past, not the present.

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    5. Because books in general are banned from this society, I believe possession of the Bible would be much worse than possession of another text. This society doesn't have a religion because they are fearful of outcasting anyone or any particular religion.

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    6. I think the author included only the bible because I think it shows that there are beliefs that they are hidden because everyone in the society needs to believe the same thing. "How in hell did those bombers get up there every single second of our lives! Why doesn't someone want to talk about it! We've started and won two atomic wars since 2022!" No one wants to talk about what's going on. Do you think our society could get to this point in time by 2022?

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  81. Why is this society so violent? Could it have to do with the lack of religion, and the government not wanting them to have a religion?

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  82. On page 75. " I don't talk things, I talk the meaning of things, I sit here and I know I'm alive." Why are these words so important to Montag? What do you think they mean?

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    1. Him saying I'm alive makes it seem that he was almost in a limbo and not really paying attention and just going through the motions like a "robot". So now he is out of his shell and realizing how bad his society actually is.

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  83. "That woman, the other night, you weren't there. You didn't see her face. and Clarisse you never talked to her." Page 67. Is it his personality or his experiences that have led him to this point?

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    1. I think that it's his experiences that have led him to this point. In a way, I think he has some degree of PTSD from seeing the lady stay in the fire and Clarisse disappearing. I think that he had just had about all he could take and it was time for him to explore whatever he thinks the books mean.

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    2. This is his real personality coming out, that has led him to this point. Over the whole course of this book so far many things have changed for him and made him think differently. It is the experiences he's had that have caused him to let his real feelings out.

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  84. "...I'm so damned unhappy, I'm so mad, and I don't know why." (64) Montag says this, is it because Clarisse made him realize he may not be in love with Mildred and think about things more? Or is it because he didn't realize that on his own? Unless he did and he didn't want to admit it to himself.

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  85. Montag he says it would be better if the firemen were burnt instead of the books. At what point do you think he realized this, and changed his mind about his job?

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    1. I don't think Montag has ever been questioned in this society, no body questions anybody because they are scared of standing out, or having an opinion that differs from other people's. Clarisse questioned Montag and voiced her opinion about Montag and being a fireman and I think it made Montag realize and think that what he was doing was wrong. I also think seeing the innocence of that woman light her own house on fire while shes still in it, made Montag realize that books don't mean any harm and the people reading them don't either. Montag realized then that his job is destructive, not helpful.

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    2. I think the he changed his mind about this the moment Clarisse started talking to him about the way life uses to be. I also think the moment he meet Clarisse he started to change his mind more because everyone else is so afraid to say what is happening is wrong and they don't care and Clarisse made him realize that it is not strange to think this way.

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    3. I think he realized this when he realized he wasn't happy. I think this all began when he started collecting the books instead of burning them. And I think he began collecting the books instead of burning them because of Clarisse questioning what firemen used to do such as them fighting fires rather than setting fire.

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  87. I don't think they like books because they don't want people to be able to be smarter than others, or faster readers. What do they learn at school in that case if they don't have books?

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  88. On page 65 Montag confesses that he isn't happy. "Fun is everything. And yet I kept sitting there saying to myself, I'm not happy, I'm not happy." Why do you think it has taken Montag so long to realize how unhappy he is? Do you think it was this discussion with Beatty that made him realize he wasn't happy? Do you think Clarisse contributed to him realizing that he wasn't happy?

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  89. Montag has books hidden in the grille. How did Montag manage to collect all those books and not get caught? Does this mean he has been against his society and job for a while? He just can't tell anyone.

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  90. How long has Guy Montag been collecting books? Was it before he met Clarisse?

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    1. This is what Ray Bradbury implies with the amount of books Guy has been hiding. While it is never said outright, the reader can assume that this is true.

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  91. Why does the government go to such extreme lengths to make sure everything is equal for everyone as to make the furniture the same? But they still have them as kind of a higher power or they see that the firemen seem to be a little higher up than anyone else, but yet everyone is still seen as equal?

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  92. Why did he think it was a good idea to keep the books? Has he now realized what he and the other firemen have been burning the books? Can he connect to the people under the firemen? Does it show a flaw in the system?

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  93. Mildred and Guy are reading, or at least Guy is and Mildred is there on page 65. I think Mildred might end up changing with Guy. However, she may also turn on him and either incinerate the books herself or go to the authorities.

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  94. "Lets talk about someone alive..." Why do you think Mildred is getting so tired of hearing about Clarisse? Is she like secretly jealous of the way he talks about her or how much he talks about her?

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    1. I don't think that Mildred really understands why Montag talks about Clarisse so much, and is getting tired hearing about someone who contradicts her beliefs, and who isn't alive anymore.

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  95. "'I saw the damnedest snake in the world the other night... You want to see that snake?'" (Montag to Mildred). Montag telling Mildred about the "snake" suggests that Mildred has not really been trying to commit suicide. It seems that she is just so unaware of the world around her, that she doesn't even realize how many pills she's taking.

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  96. "Mildred kicked a book. "Books aren't people. You read and I look around, but there isn't anybody!" Books aren't people but could they represent the way technology treats and shapes people? Does she hate the idea that he has been hiding these books from everyone? Is that in the same way the firemen show emotions and dismiss anything they care about and put it aside for their job?

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    1. (I have the newer version so I don't know what page it is on)

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  97. " I didn't like myself at all anymore." (67). Why do you think Montag no longer liked himself? What do you think changed?

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    1. I think that he doesn't like himself anymore because he has realized what he has been doing over the past year in the book. He had been collecting books for a year and he may have realized that it was wrong. But yet, he is still pursuing his search for answers about the Bible.

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    2. I think Montag finally realized, that he doesn't like who he's become. He doesn't like his job, and hurting people by burning their possessions, and he doesn't like not having a relationship with his wife.

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    3. I agree with Jaclyn because Montag knows that collecting books are a very wrong thing to do. He probably feels very guilty for having a desire to read books and have them around his house especially because he is a fireman.

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  98. On page 73, when Montag and Mildred are worried about Beatty finding the books, Mildred is more worried about her 'family' rather than more important things. Do you think that their society's culture encourages them to care more about technology then their own families?

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  99. "He might come burn the house and the 'family.' That's awful! Think of our investment.' (77) Does Mildred care more about the house than Guy, even herself? If they don't love each other, and they really seem to not, why are they married? Are divorces a thing in this society? Maybe they don't.

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    1. It seems like a common theme in this story is concealment of unhappiness. It is not likely that Mildred will divorce Guy, unless he does something against the law. Their house is everything to Mildred. Mildred's 'family' is closer to her than her own husband.

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  100. I'm curious as to what will happen to Mildred? At this point, he is on the way to Professor Faber's house but do you think Mildred will come back into the story?

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    1. Mildred seems to play a major role in the story, she is the one that is not sure about this situation with the books. She doesn't know if she should tell or keep it a secret. I think Mildred will do something about the books and Montag.

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    2. Of course I think Mildred is going to come back I think Mildred is the one who is going to end up getting them in trouble for having the books. I think this because I feel like she was not really listening to Montag when he told not to open the door if she heard the dog come back. So I think that Mildred will definitely come back into the story.

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  101. "It's been a long time. I'm not a religious man" [Montag 81] Why do you think that Montag would risk his life and potentially his fathers, just to give his father a bible?

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    1. I don't think Faber is Guy's gather, but Montag is giving him the Bible because it could be the last copy. He sees it as important to preserve and wants a copy made just to make sure it survives.

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  102. Do you believe Clarisse disappeared because she stood out?

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  103. Does Mildred actually believe that the T.V.'s are her family? Why does she keep referring to the T.V. as her family?

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    1. I think Mildred refers the T.V. characters as her family because she has spent so much time with them. She feels this connection with the characters that she doesn't seem to have with her husband. The characters are made very general so they can appeal to a bigger audience. Mildred is very engaged in their lives and feels apart of their world.

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  104. "I've heard rumors; the world is starving, but we're well fed. (73)" What is this society feeding the people?

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  105. "I've got to have a duplicate made" Page 77. Montag has the last known bible in his possession. He realizes how important is is/ was. He doesn't want it to be lost forever. Is making a copy of the Bible good or bad for for the future of their society?

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    1. Bad in the sense that it could mean the end of this society, but good because the opinions contained within the Bible could inspire a revolution.

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  106. Do you think Mildred is a little jealous of Clarisse? Because Montag keeps talking to her about Clarisse and never once have they had a moment.

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    1. I don't think that Mildred is or ever was jealous of Clarisse. I don't think she was because Montag was always making an effort to maintain a relationship with Mildred. I also don't think that Mildred would be bothered by him talking to other girls since she doesn't seem very involved in her relationship with Montag. Mildred always appears very distant from people and the society as a whole nothing really seems to bother her.

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    2. Mildred is the type of person to always desire attention, especially from her husband. She is jealous of the fact that Guy has been talking about Clarisse so often, and subsequently not paying attention to her.

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    3. I don't think Mildred cares in all honesty, I think she has all the "family" she needs on the TVs in the parlor. She doesn't seem to need Montag and or depend on him in a loving way. Her family isn't Montag, its the relationships she has with the people on TV. Mildred is like many people in the modern society, she is too caught up in technology to realize the importance of real life relationships.

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  107. Connecting to the fishbowl I think the hound represents Death. In Harry Potter the grim appears which is foreshadowing about death to come. So I think that the mechanical hound is foreshadowing death.

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    1. I also think the Hound represents fear, Montag has been fearful of mechanical hound at work and when Beatty came near and Montag was fearful of Beatty knowing that he had books in his possession the hound came near. It seems that whenever Montag is fearful the hound is there to represent that.

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  108. "And men like Beatty are afraid of her" (67). Why are people like Beatty afraid of Clarisse? I think that they are afraid of Clarisse because they see her as a threat to the society. The society in F451 is very orderly and "equal". Everyone does the same thing and has the same set of rules. But Clarisse is different. She is not afraid to be speak her mind and be different. This is seen as a threat because as time goes on, some people might be influenced by her thoughts and actions. For example, before Guy met Clarisse he was just like the other firemen. He found pleasure in burning and did as society told him. When he begins meeting and talking with Clarisse, he begins to wonder about himself and this society. He starts to stray away from the norm and his thoughts become more rebellious. I think that people like Beatty are afraid of Clarisse because she is a threat to the order in the society.

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  109. "Is it because we're having so much fun at home we've forgotten the world?" He seems to be getting really upset at this point and sort of snapping at Mildred and he brings up her suicide attempt and the wars and he's started to notice the jet bombers, he starts to notice all of this terrible stuff that happens in the world, why is he just now noticing all of this? What has changed?

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  110. From what we know so far, what kind of person do you think Faber is? Do you think he will play a big role in the next part of the book, and how so? Why does Montag go to Faber for help? Will Faber be someone Montag can truly trust?

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  111. "If you see that dog outside," said Mildred, "give him a kick for me." (77) Was that Mildred kicking Guy out? I guess so, since he was just saying mean things. Why was he being so mean? Well, he wasn't being mean, and he was at the same time. He was because he was basically telling her that no one really loves her except him. But on the other side, he was also just trying to get his point across that he loves her as far as they both know.

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  112. "...and here will be me handing this over, so no phrase must escape me, each line must be memorized."(78) What is the significance of Guy trying to memorize the Bible before Beatty finds him and takes the book.

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  113. On page 73 it talked about how they have forgotten the world and that they don't care what is they are poor or starving. How does this statement mock people today?

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