Friday, September 20, 2013

September 23, 2013: What's Happening in English 10?

Focus: What larger patterns are you starting to find in The Kite Runner, and why are they important?

1. Warm-up: Brainstorming motifs from The Kite Runner together on the board, then drawing them together to form good discussion questions.  Each of you should post your best one on today's blog and then pick one to reply to.

For example, let's say that one of the motifs on the board is violence, and that another is redemption
 
You could ask a question like this: Is violence a way of achieving redemption? 
 
Or, you could ask something like this: Can Amir ever find redemption for the violence he allowed to happen to Hassan?
 
Again, once you've posted your question on the blog, please reply to someone else's question.

2. Returning to the hero's journey: Look over the first page of the Joseph Campbell's hero's journey chart given in class today.  With a partner, fill out as much of the first page as you can for The Kite Runner:
  • Think "outside the box" a little.  For example, there may not be any actual dragon battles in The Kite Runner, but there are battles with monster-like people and ideas.
  • Be as specific as possible, citing quotations or at least page numbers whenever possible.
  • Stay in the middle column (the column on the right will be used later).
  • Don't worry if every single step doesn't apply; you can leave a couple of boxes blank if they don't work.

3. Starting Chapter 14 together, if time allows

HW:
1. Finish reading and annotating Chapters 14, 15, and 16 in The Kite Runner.
2. Leaders and discussers need to be prepared for tomorrow's fishbowl discussion.

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    1. I believe that you have to forgive before you can truly love. Once Baba met Soraya, he was able to forgive Amir after he met Sonya because they were so alike. After that Baba accepted and loved Amir because he was the only person that he had.

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    2. I do think love is a way of forgiveness because if you love someone you have to have forgiveness like between Amir and Hassan.

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  2. Does love create tension in The Kite Runner?

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    1. So far no. The only real love that takes place is between Soraya and Amir and so far there have not been any tensions.

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    2. I think that it does because you could say that Hassan and Amir love each other like brothers and this creates tension because he starts to betray Hassan and this is where the tension is made.

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    3. Yes because the ones who are loved the most, are seperating.

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  3. Will violence, depression, and betrayal lead to forgiveness?

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    1. Usually it does but anything can happen in Pakistan. I think that Amir wont be truly forgiven but he will just be able to put the past behind him.

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    1. Yes because as soon as you trust i think it opens the door for betrayal

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    2. Because you give your hear to them and than its easily broken.

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  5. If Amir forgives himself for betraying Hassan, can he redeem himself for what he did?

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  6. Can Hassan ever trust Amir again like he did before Amir betrayed him?

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    1. Yes, I think so because after awhile they will have to see each other and become friends again.

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  7. Is the violence that occurred to Hassan a result of Amirs depression?

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    1. Yes, I think so because Hassan was Amir's only true friend, and the violence that occurred to Hassan has ruined what they had between them.

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    2. yes, because there friendship was destroyed as a result of it.

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  8. Is forgiveness the only way to end depression?

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    1. I believe that there is no way to get rid of depression but forgivness can make ones emotions happier.

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  9. Is Betrayal going to create new trust between them?

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  11. Is Redemption a form of forgiveness?

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    1. Yes because if you redeem yourself to someone you betrayed, you are then forgiven.

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    2. It is in some cases, but in others, it can be for selfish reasons.

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  12. Does hate create tension in this book?

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    1. In most cases, hate does create tension because there are two sides to everything and naturally people have different opinions. The hate can exist mutually together or it can escalate into violence or war. An example of this is the conflict between the Pashtuns and the Hazaaras that we see throughout the entire book.

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    2. I don't think so because most of the tension in this book comes from betrayal.

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  13. Is love a way of forgiveness in the Kite Runner?

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    1. Yes, because Assef forgave Hassan by raping him.

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    2. Yes because the loved ones are being forgiven by the ones they love.

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  15. Will the tension of all the betrayals that have occurred in previous events ever subside and be forgiven?

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  16. Will Amir ever be forgiven for betraying Hassan?

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    1. I think yes eventually Hassan will realize why he betrayed him and forgive him

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    2. I think if they have a true relationship between each other, they will come back together. If Hassan feels betrayed then he could reject Amir for redemption.

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  17. violence is a cause of depression because after the rape which was violent caused amir and hassan to seperate and become less happy. like when amir was just throwing his presents in the corner as if he didnt want them he seemed a little sad that he aloud his best friend to be raped so he can be loved by his father. the rape really made amir depressed by just knowing he could have done something but didnt.

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    1. Once Hassan forgives Amir then they will both be happy and love eachother as friends.

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    2. I think forgiveness leads to love because forgiveness is the first step in becoming in love with someone.

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    3. yes because before all of this happened they were good friends and they they have a lot of memories together.

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    4. Yes because if Amir is forgiven by Hassan then they will reunite, and be brothers again.

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  19. Does forgiveness in this book lead to redemption?

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  20. is Amirs guilt the only reason why he wants redemption or is it because he still cares for Hassan and Rahim?

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    1. I think that he cares about Hassan and that is why he wants redemption.

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  21. Can the betrayal of Amir ever be forgiven by Hassan?

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  22. How is Amir's search for redemption ironic? Amir doesn't stop the rape of hasaan because he wants to earn Baba's pride but in not saving Hasaan he becomes the son that Baba doesn't want. The rest of the story is built around how Amir can find redemption for his actions.

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  23. Can the trust of Amir lead the characters to violence?

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  24. Will forgiveness, be fixed if the betrayal is kept up by Amir?

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    1. I like your deep interaction with the texts emotions

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  25. Is Amir looking for something that he can't find? Is that thing he's looking for redemption for betraying his friend?

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  26. Will betrayal breed tension and lost trust?

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  27. Can the betrayal of Amir, cause more violence in the story?

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  28. Will Hassan learn to trust Amir after his betrayal?

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  29. What is Amir looking for? Why does Amir want redemption from Hassan if he betrayed him multiple times?

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  30. How does depression lead to violence?

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  31. Is depression a main gateway to violence? Does being alone and afraid make you angry, or maybe the other way around?

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    1. Yes Joey it does because when people get jealous their judgement gets clouded and they think betrayal is the only way out.

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  34. Is there forgiveness for all kinds of betrayal?

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    1. Not always. Sometimes the betrayal might be so bad that forgiveness will not solve the problem.

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    2. I think you can always forgive someone who betrays you, it just might be harder to forgive if it is a bigger betryal.

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  35. Is acceptance equivalent to forgiveness?

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    1. No, accepting is just the first step in forgiving someone. Forgiveness takes acceptance along with mercy.

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  36. Is betrayal necessary for acceptance?

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    1. depends on the situation your in trying to gain acceptancce

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    1. I think that betrayal is a direct result of jealousy. When you're jealous of somebody the first thing you want to do is take away what they have that you want and usually, to succeed, you have to betray them.

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    2. Yes, I personally think that jealousy can become betrayal. After awhile jealousy becomes hatred and people start to betray and turn on the people they care about.

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    3. Yes, I think that jealousy is what sparks betrayal. Once you are jealous, you are not pleased with what you are or have because you feel the need to have something more. When this happens, many people go out of their way to achieve their needs even if it means that you will betray someone important.

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  38. How can jealousy relate to death?

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    1. Jealousy has a negative way of life about it, and so does death. They are both just bad and negative.

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  39. Is redemption a form of forgiveness (of oneself or others)?

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    1. I don't always think so because if you redeem yourself then you haven't necessarily been forgiven, but it just makes you look better.

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    Does acceptance cause tension with amir and baba throughout the whole story even after he had passed away

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    1. I think it's the other way around. You will always forgive the ones you love.

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    2. No because it does not address the original issue

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  42. Can love come out of forgiveness?

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  43. Is death always associated loss?

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  44. Does jealousy end in love or hate?

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    1. I'd say that it definitely varies and you can't say it always end in just one of those.

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    2. I think that jealousy would lead to hate because you are wanting something of someone else and you don't care how you get it.

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  45. Does forgiveness lead to approval?

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    1. yes because then you will know that you are accepted.

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    2. Not always because if you can't forgive someone for their actions how will you ever approve them.

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  46. Does Amir's love for Soraya help him forget about his memories of Hassan?

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    1. yes I think that soraya will help amir to forget about what happened to hassan

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    2. I think he does forget a lot about Hassan because he has moved on in his life and is living with somebody else.

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    3. I think it might help him not think about it but he will never forget what happened to Hassan.

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  47. Is acceptance away to release guilt? Does accepting what is happening or what has happened release the guilt that person my have.

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    1. I don't think that it is because you will always question yourself whether you should have done it or not. Guilt doesn't just go away.

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  48. How does love relate to tension?

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  49. Hour 3
    Can jealousy find acceptance?

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    1. It can because if you feel guilty you might act differently and not be accepted.

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  51. Is being approved of the same as being accepted? 3rd hour

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  52. Can jealousy and guilt ever be approved?

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  53. Does jealousy lead guilt or rejection

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    1. I believe that it is the other way around. Guilt leads to rejection.

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  55. Are you immune to guilt after betrayal?

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  56. What does guilt have to do with overcoming obstacles?

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  57. How does the guilt and regret that Amir struggles with everyday lead to forgiveness and acceptance?

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  58. Does forgiveness and acceptance always go hand in hand?

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    1. I believe that the only way to forgive is to accept. By accepting what happened you are able to forgive for what happened, and then move on, which also shows overcoming obstacles.

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    2. I don't think it does because you can forgive some one else without accepting what they did, or what happened.

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    3. I don't think that they always do. However I think that when you are forgiven you have an easier time accepting yourself as do others.

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    1. Death always brings acceptance, because acceptance is final, and so is death.

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  60. How does the betrayal of hassan from amir bring tension between the two of them.

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    1. I think that betrayal almost almost brings guilt, because in order to betray someone, you first have to care about them, and when you care about someone and hurt them, you would most likely feel guilty.

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    2. I think that betrayal will most likely bring guilt because, one leads to another.

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  62. Does guilt prevent us from overcoming obstacles?

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    1. It can, because the guilt can cause us to feel like we do not deserve to overcome obstacles.

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    2. I think guilt can hold a person back. It can make it harder to move forward and face new obstacles.

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    3. Yes because the guilt from the past haunts you and you're not able to over come obstacles.

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    4. I think guilt can effect the outcome of an obstacle because you can't always recover from a guilty memory. The victory doesn't feel as good as it would because of the guilt.

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    1. In Amir's situation he is having regret as to what he let happen to Hassan. He is regretful that Hassan was put in that situation when all he has ever done is love Amir and stand up for him. When Amir lied to his father and blamed his watch and money being stolen by Hassan and Hassan even after being aware of what Amir had done to him still stood up for Amir, I think Amir was jealous. He was jealous because after all Hassan has done for him he still didn't have the guts to defend him. Although Hassan after being betrayed still did and Amir is jealous of the kind of person Hassan has always been and Amir will never be.

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  64. How does overcoming obstacles bring back regret and negative pasts?

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    1. Well when he is overcoming an obstacle he may remember what happened and avoid that situation at all costs.

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  65. Does Baba's acceptance for Amir help him to forgive Baba?

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    1. Over time, yes because all the time Amir felt like Baba was not proud of him was made up for by Baba and Amir's good relationship after Amir won the kite tournament.

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  66. Does jealousy and tension come from love?

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    1. I believe that if you have mixed feelings from love, then yes jealousy and tension will come from that love.

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    2. In my opinion it does because it is just showing that you care about your loved one and you are protective over them.

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    3. I think that jealousy and tension do come from love because without love you have no reason to feel those ways.

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    4. No not really because you can be jealous of some one and not love them but you can be in love with what they have. And same with tension because tension would mean that there is something going on inside the relationship or that something bad is about to happen. This is why Jealously and Tension do not always come from Love.

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    5. I believe jealousy and tension are apart of love, but they do not directly come from only love. You don't have to love someone to be jealous of something they might have that you don't or get in a fight with somebody you barely know. Jealousy and Tension are just parts to love.

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    6. I think Jealousy and tension would come from love because love causes attachment and people do not want that attachment to be severed.

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  67. What is the major power struggle? Who is it between?

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  68. Is the guilt that Amir still has going to make him untrustworthy if he ever sees Hassan again?

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  69. What do father figures have to do with happiness?

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    1. I think that father figures really mold the characters into being who they really are.

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    1. I think that death does lead to guilt because you are not just going to kill someone and then forget about it.

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  71. Will jealousy come to power struggles?

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    1. Yes. When jealousy arises everyone tries to one-up each other. So power struggles emerge because so many are trying to show greater power.

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  72. Can jealousy lead to lack of trust?

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  73. Did Hassan's love and trust for Amir lead to betrayal?

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    1. Hassan's love and trust for Amir did lead to betrayal because Hassan loved Amir so much that Amir took advantage of Hassan. This lead to Amir treating Hassan poorly and eventually betraying him as well.

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    2. Yes Hassan's love and trust did lead to betrayal because Hassan loved Amir and trusted him a lot but in the end Amir betrayed him and even love can't come back from betrayal.

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    3. I believe that Hassan's love and trust for Amir did lead to betrayal because Amir betrayed him many times. One time in the ally scene, which was probably the worst. The other time when Amir hid the watch and money under his bed became another act of betrayal towards Hassan.

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  74. How does jealousy relate to guilt and betrayal?

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  75. How are love and jealousy related to one another?

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    1. I guess when in love jealously will emerge because of protective instincts.

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  76. Will Soraya show forgiveness when Amir shares his guilt of not helping Hassan in the alley? Will he even till her?

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  77. What does over coming obstacles and forgiveness have to do with each other?

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    1. People might regret not saying goodbye, of they might feel guilty.

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  79. Is Amir untrustworthy because he betrayed Hassan, or can he still be trusted because that was one dumb mistake?

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    1. I think Amir can still be trusted, but I believe it will talk more effort for people to trust him after they find out what he did to Hassan.

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    2. I think that Amir can definitely still be trusted. Even though Amir didn't help Hasaan in the alley he has grown as a person since then.

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  80. Can betrayal and trust come from overcoming obstacles?

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    1. I think it depends on the obstacle because some obstacles bring people together and some drive people apart.

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  81. How does guilt and love affect one another?

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    1. I believe loving someone freely creates a more genuine love. Basing a relationship on guilt can make it very unstable.

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  82. How does Amir's power over Hassan effect why Amir feels guilt about relationship with Hassan?

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  83. Why is amir holding on to the guilt and why is he afraid to talk about the past?

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  85. How does Amir overcome obstacles and use them to make him a stronger person?

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  86. Do guilty feelings prevent people from overcoming challenges or obstacles that they might face in life?

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  87. Are mothers more accepting to what you want to do and your personal beliefs then fathers?

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  88. How does one deal with tension that comes from sorrow?

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